Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro appeared on The Breakfast Club with Charlamagne tha God in an interview released Friday — and it sure sounded like a soft launch for a future presidential run. Shapiro seemed intent on distancing himself from the political wreckage of Joe Biden’s decline, clearly signaling that he wants no part of the fallout.
In doing so, he didn’t hold back. His comments amounted to a scathing assessment of both Biden and Kamala Harris, painting them as politically damaged and out of touch. It was the kind of calculated move from a Democrat trying to survive the post-Biden era — and perhaps pave the way for his own White House ambitions.
He shared that he approached Biden when he was still the nominee and informed him that he was facing challenges in Pennsylvania:
“I went directly to the president and spoke to him about what I saw were, you know, his challenges in Pennsylvania. I was really honest with him,” Shapiro said. “We got together at a coffee shop in Harrisburg. I think this has been reported. I mean, I’ll just share with you. He said, ‘How’s it going?’ I was very clear: ‘It’s not going well.’” [….]
“’Polls are showing it’s not going well,” he said. “I don’t think you’re handling the cost question. Back to what we talked about before with rising costs. It was a big theme in the campaign. Big issue in Pennsylvania. I didn’t think they were handling that well. I expressed that I thought people thought he wasn’t up to the job.”
Yikes… However, that’s all true. But knowing Biden, you just know that didn’t go over very well:
When asked how this sobering assessment was received at the time, Shapiro replied, “I think he heard it. He told me that their poll numbers were different, and he seemed committed to continuing forward. And, listen, that’s his call.”
He also recalled arguing to Biden that part of his issue was that Biden’s team wasn’t straightforward with its own boss.
Whenever Biden was confronted or challenged, his instinct was always the same — to lash out and insist the polls or “facts” were wrong. So when Shapiro described that kind of denial, it sounded exactly like the Biden Americans came to know all too well.
Shapiro also made a crucial point that hasn’t gotten enough attention: Biden’s own team wasn’t honest with him about the situation. That lack of honesty, Shapiro suggested, is what helped create the disaster we’re now seeing. It wasn’t just Biden who failed — it was an entire inner circle that refused to tell him, or the country, the truth.
Shapiro then turned to then-Vice President Kamala Harris and laid a heaping helping of blame right at her feet. “If you’re in the room, you’re seeing things nobody else is seeing,” he pointedly observed. “You got a responsibility to speak up, and she didn’t.”
Oof:
Democrat Governor Josh Shapiro, who endorsed Kamala Harris, says she knew Biden was unfit for office:
“You’ve got a responsibility to speak up, and she didn’t.” pic.twitter.com/epX8oMgQjO
— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) October 18, 2025
Exactly — it sounds like Shapiro just fired one of the first shots in the quiet but already-brewing 2028 race. The tension between him and Kamala Harris is starting to show, and her thinly veiled jab — saying Shapiro seems like the type who “wants to be in the room for every decision” — didn’t go unnoticed.
Shapiro’s comment to Charlamagne about Harris being “in the room” with Biden sure sounded like a bit of return fire. The exchange makes clear that the Democratic power struggle is already underway.
The Democratic governor said he didn’t believe in throwing people under the bus in response to Charlamagne, who said, “anybody that wants to lead this party in the future has to throw that old regime under the bus.” Regardless of his beliefs, his assessment was indeed effective. What he said was harsh, but accurate.
It’s no surprise Harris went with Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz — anyone sharper or more articulate, like Shapiro, would’ve highlighted her weaknesses instantly. Walz was the “safe” choice, someone who wouldn’t outshine her.
But the real issue runs deeper than just Harris. Far too many Democrats stayed silent when it mattered most, choosing loyalty to the party over honesty with the American people.
Harris doesn’t deserve another vote, and neither do the rest who kept quiet while the country was being misled. Their silence wasn’t just cowardice — it was complicity. And anyone who put protecting their careers over telling the truth has no business holding public office ever again.
